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By Admin on Sunday, July 16, 2000 - 03:08 pm: Edit

All discussion about the Supreme Court's decision to allow the Boy Scouts to exclude gays.

The original story is here.

By Wmrwhite on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 11:47 pm: Edit

By adhering to a restrictive leadership policy BSA moves from "public" to "private." Let their funding move to private sources also. Let them further adhere to a restrictive membership policy so their leaders can continue to undermine the real worth of the scouting program. United Way and religious institutions have many other agencies, not so judgmental, which need additional funding. Let's phase out financial support to the male scouting program by fifty percent during the next three years. That would still be an amount almost equal to current funding for the support of our female scouting program. Better yet--reverse the funding amounts from BSA to GSA. Then who would be crying--perhaps those same leaders who brought things to this unfortunate state. wrw

By Kramer on Friday, July 07, 2000 - 03:11 pm: Edit

Amen!
The story in this issue further explains your point.
They have shot themselves in the foot, and will face increasing pressure as their sponsors face pressure to stop funding them.
How sad, because the losers in all this are the young kids who do get alot out the Scouts. If only they could stop teaching them to exclude certain people, they would be close to perfect and the kids would be better for it too.
Now all those kids see is that the Supreme Court said they are allowed to exclude gays. They don't know the full reasons why, in their minds, they simply know it is OK to exclude a certain type of people. And they will grow up thinking that too.

By Ugogirl on Saturday, July 08, 2000 - 05:01 pm: Edit

I am personally saddened by the
Supreme Court's recent decision regarding the BSA.

I come from a long family tradition of scouting.
I only completed Cadets (GSA) due to no available leadership in the mid-70's.

My brother was an eagle scout by the age of 13.
[This record was his, in 1963, in Summit County]
He pursued leadership positions in scouting when his children were born.
I am proud that all four of his children, my neice and three nephews,
attained Eagle or its equivilant.

However, I am honestly rethinking my United Way contributions in light of this horrific decision. There is now a rift in the family that didn't exist before this historical defeat.

Homophobia has no placing in Scouting!

By Don on Monday, July 17, 2000 - 03:59 pm: Edit

When I think of a boy scout, I think of a young,
innocent boy helping an "old lady" to cross the
street. The epitome of innocence. Now, with the
supreme court stepping in, the innocence is taken
to the wayside. Young boys and girls, as stated
in another opinion, do not know or understand why
the Supreme Court took this action, they only
know it's o.k. to exclude.
This is not an appropriate way of teaching our
youth tolerance, but, rather intolerance. I feel
sad, because this is truly a step backward.
I also feel sad for the gentleman who grew up and
advanced to become an Eagle Scout, as-well-as his
siblings. This is an honor, not something that
should have to be debated amongst his brothers
and sisters. Hopefully, his siblings will open
their eyes to the truth someday and understand that homosexuality does not mean taking a second
class citizen stamp on the forehead !

By Admin on Friday, July 21, 2000 - 03:35 pm: Edit

Clinton asked to resign his honorary Boy Scout post

That would be the icing on the cake.

See Johnny learn to build camp.
See Johnny help little old lady across the street.
See Johnny learn how to hate gays.
See Johnny get shunned by America as the next "radical" group put in the same category as the KKK.

By Misio on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 08:46 pm: Edit

this is off-topic but it is very important to me (i'm posting this in every forum).
can anyone tell me if there are any gay friendly churches or religious organizations in cleveland area (i have no religious preference). i'm looking to find a new church because my pastor recently preached about the evils of homosexual lifestyle.

By �skittles� on Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 11:10 am: Edit

I am new at this sort of thing so i will try to be breif or whatever. I was in scouting and for the longest time it was a wonderful experience for me and I even started working at one of the summer camps....but when I came out that all changed. The camp really didn't fire me but never got back to me with my job satus. I think that the boy scouts of america CAN NOT pick and chose whoever they want in scouting.....

By Bwaynef on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 06:45 pm: Edit

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By Sirion Sirion on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 11:54 pm: Edit

Here's a thought. I'm a scout leader who happens to be gay AND without a belief in any particular deity, although admittedly I do not subscribe to the belief that there simply isn't one. I am an Eagle scout, and I have served scouting and only scouting since I was old enough to join. The very same organization that I have devoted my weekends, my money, my LIFE to has now come out and said that I am a disgrace to the same kids I have taught and successfully reached.

I am not "out" to anyone, but I just wonder sometimes if I was how long it would take before the same leaders I have worked with for so long to make our program worth something would approach me and tell me I had to leave.

As for the BSA's resolution, which says that gays are not acceptable role models for children, I can empathize SOMEWHAT. Society generally fears discontinuities in its members, and so those "bad patches" are systematically removed from the big picture. I understand that, but I ask the BSA: What about the leaders in their organization who are gay, on the inside, and turn out to be some of the most devoted adult vollunteers they have? What happens when you oust a leader whose support of scouting has truly been an invaluable asset to a troop or a district or a camp? I know people like that... and I'm not talking about myself, although I feel like I'm in that boat.

The BSA has taken a stance that really is a slap in the face of the Scout Oath and Law. As I understand it, scouts are now being taught that regardless of how well a person can tie knots, pitch a tent, read a compass, serve his community, give of himself for others, or unselfishly support the improvement of his world, it means nothing if his sexual orientation isn't in line with mainstream America.

I have been teaching - among many others - the Citizenship series of merit badges for many years. All of these merit badges try to instill in scouts the moral value of respect for diversity. I can't believe I actually have been supporting this hypocrisy.

And the sad part? Can I come out of the closet and defend my case? No! If I try to go against this monster, I'll get kicked out of the only organization I have ever wanted to be a part of. And I can't do that. I can't think of myself in a life without scouting. All I can ask is that others who do not have as much at stake take action against this issue. And quickly.

By Gino on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 01:55 am: Edit

By Stop The Lies on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 08:46 pm: Edit

This hysterical "frenzy" over discrimination is all for naught. Apparently no one has checked the rules and regulations of the BSA. There is no discrimination of leaders. The Boy Scouts do NOT ask anyone if they are homosexual or heterosexual. It doesn't matter because a discussion of sexuality (even if you like sheep!)around young people is inappropriate in that organization at any level. Yes, they throw out heterosexual adults too if any type of sexuality is discussed or public displays occur. Quit believing what the mass media serves up as the truth. Rely on your own sources of information.

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